Cindy Sheehan Brings a Little Class to That Town

by Mike on April 25, 2006

in Politics


As Mark Levin would say, I think this woman attended charm school on a football scholarship. Zombie Time has video and a good roundup of the loon’s speech in Berkeley last month where she exclaimed her joy about speaking in “Smartland” and displayed her trademark dignity and grace. And to think the left was once giddy about putting her on display. Oh, right.

Link via Expose the Left

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bxc2739 April 25, 2006 at 9:41 pm

The America SAD DENIAL Case

Your war against Fear is not justified. It is actually a Resource War for oil, and a currency war for the dollar. Global Oil production has peaked and US will suffer the most from this crisis. The United States uses 25% of the world’s oil yet only has 5% of the world’s population. America is heavily in debt and bankruptcy is unavoidable. The coming housing bust will send the economy into a second greater depression.

While the Middle East countries find themselves targets in the “war on terror”, China, Russia, and Latin America find themselves targets in the recently declared and much more expansive “war on tyranny.” Whereas the “war on terror” is really a war for control of the world’s oil reserves, this newly declared “war on tyranny” is really a war for control of the world’s oil distribution and transportation chokepoints.

The dollar is in collapse, the economy is going to crash, oil is getting more scarce everyday. America is a nation that has its infrastructure built exclusively to be run on abundant cheap oil, with global demand of oil increasing exponentially and supply decreasing year after year, America has no other choice than to wage a global war on oil and currency and under the ruse of terror and freedom.

What? No believe? You still denial??

Is your entire country on crack? Are all you Americans out of your cotton picking minds? Are you completely freaking delusional? Homicidal? Psychotic? Have you lost any shred of a moral compass? WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS H. CHRIST ON A CRUTCH IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!

Let me offer up one small datum which may completely change the equation for you: According to the CIA (If they have any credibility left.) even accord to them Iran is at least five years away from a nuclear weapon.

Five years.

Five years is time for diplomacy to accomplish a hell of a lot.

I would also point out that the Atomic Energy Commission, various other international bodies and other inspections have essentially found no sign that Iran is even working on a nuclear weapon.

The only actual evidence that Iran has anything close to nuclear weapons technology is blueprints *that the CIA gave to them!*

Have you all forgotten that the evidence on Iraq was spectacularly wrong? Have you all ignored the fact that it was fabricated? Why then are we going down the exact same road of stage managed, fabricated pseudo-evidence and wild-ass hysteria?

What is wrong with you people?

This entire crisis has been manufactured, and has been years in the making.

Stop and think back five years. What did we have five years ago? A moderate reformist Iranian government making overtures to the United States, rebuilding its relationship with Europe, liberalizing its society, and modernizing its economy.

Post 9/11 vigil in Iran. 9/11 comes along, the Iranians are overflowing with sympathy. Mass candlelit vigils are held in Tehran. Iran offers aid and cooperation.

Iran hates the Taliban who have executed Iranian diplomats and massacred Afghan Shiites. Iran hates Saddam Hussein. Iran hates Al Qaeda which is a Sunni Fundamentalist organization which declares Shiites infidels and subhuman.

Iran shares its intelligence with America – they even arrested Taliban members and handed them over to US custody.

So we’ve got the Iranian spring; things are finally going to sort out.

And what happens? The Bush administration rebuffs every Iranian overture and does its best to instigate a cold war. Afghanistan is invaded, and suddenly, the Iranians are looking at American troops and allies on their eastern border. Then Iraq is invaded, and American troops and allies on their western border. Then bases and treaties in Uzbekistan, and whoops, there’s more American troops and allies on the northern border. The Persian Gulf is filled with American warships and carrier fleets.

Now the Iranians are surrounded. And the tough talk is constant. Iran is part of the ‘Axis of Evil’ and Americans tell each other “Baghdad, humph, real men go to Tehran.” Essentially, America has been threatening military action against Iran for the last five years, and has surrounded the country on every side with troops, bases and allies.

American aircraft invade Iranian airspace regularly, American special forces undertake operations inside Iran and Americans regularly accuse Iranians of interference in Iraq.

Dick Cheney pontificates about Israel bombing Iran *after he has just handed over to Israel the long range bombers and bunker busting bombs* required to do the job.

Meanwhile, the United States undertakes economic warfare against Iran, interfering with its business dealings with third party countries, trying to scuttle a pipeline deal with India, and it goes on and on. The hysteria about the Iranians nuclear program is just more of the same.

Now how in God’s Bloody Name do you think the Iranians are going to respond to that. Should they concede the nuclear program, abandon their pipeline project? If so, its not going to do them any good. America will just seek more concessions. Each surrender will be met by new demands. This isn’t hard to figure out. It’s exactly what Bush did with Iraq.

Perhaps overtures, good will gestures, trying to act like a peaceful nation. Did all those things, doesn’t matter. The Bush administration is still on a collision course.

So, the Mullahs are concerned that they’re faced with a homicidal crazy state, the Iranian people are scared. When people are scared and faced with an aggressive warmongering power which keeps threatening to attack them, continually trespasses on its borders and is undertaking economic warfare… who the hell are they going to elect? Ahminajad may be a crazy bastard, but you assholes, you utter assholes did every thing you could to elect him short of donating 50,000 Diebold machines and mailing his party the trapdoor codes.

So, having pursued a psychotically aggressive course, you’ve backed Iran into a corner, and engineered a regime which refuses to back further.

And *you* are the victims in all this? *You* are the ones under threat? It’s *self defense*????

And of course, you goofily believe that you can just bomb or nuke Iran with impunity?

Holy microeconomic theory batman! Iran’s nuclear facilities are distributed across the country and in hardened sites near population centers. So any strike that cripples a significant portion of Iran’s nuclear capacity will inevitably be so large and kill so many people that its going to be tantamount to inviting full scale war.

Think about that. Iran is 70 million people, an area five times the size of Iraq, not disemboweled by 12 years of sanctions and air raids. On the other side of the coin, America’s ground army is busted and tied down in Iraq. There’s no troops to throw at a major Iranian military force, so you have to hope that bombing will do the trick. The occupation forces in Iraq are in occupation and not territorial defense mode. And Iraq is 65% Shiites who are probably not going to be happy that you’re blowing up their brother Shiites.

Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz is so narrow that sinking one supertanker will block it indefinitely, and Iran borders the strait on three sides. Block Hormuz and any naval groups inside the Persian Gulf are trapped there. Any naval groups outside the Persian Gulf are trapped outside. Forget about any oil coming out of the Persian Gulf from Iraq, Kuwait, Quatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia or the UAE. Think about what that does to the price of oil, and to the world economy. Think about what that does to dependent countries like Japan, India, China and Europe.

In short it’s so appallingly stupid and colossally risky, that I can see why your idiots in charge might consider using nuclear weapons. But throw a few nukes around and see how the rest of the world reacts? Every dirt-wad country is going to be mortgaging the Presidential palace to get its own nuclear deterrent from Pakistan or North Korea. How do you feel about the Indonesian Bomb, the Malaysian Bomb, the Thai Bomb, the Myanmar Bomb, the Algerian Bomb, the Saudi Bomb, the Egyptian Bomb, the Brazilian Bomb, the Argentine Bomb, the Venezuelan Bomb, the Cuban Bomb, the Japanese Bomb, the Canadian frigging Bomb. You are no longer trustworthy. North Korea, always borderline psychotic is going to be mondo difficult to deal with. You’ve just guaranteed yourself a full fledged nuclear arms race, balls to the wall with both Russia and China, and quite possibly Europe.

And of course there’s no guarantee that the rest of the world will allow this. Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians? Suppose they ‘loan’ their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar systems to the Iranians… Do you want to meet *that* on a bombing raid? And if you do meet *that* what are you going to do when half your planes are blasted out of the skies conducting an illegal raid on civilian populations in a foreign country? Cry? Send a harsh note?

Launch a first strike?

World goes boom. What happens if the Chinese decide to hold Taiwan and South Korea hostage? What do you do? Back off Iran or sell out East Asia?

Hell, in that kind of standoff, someone sneezes and its not going to matter who launched a first strike.

Or would you like an economic standoff, say with Europe, or with Japan and China. Suppose that the Europeans or Chinese decide “screw the worldwide depression, you assholes are just too dangerous to have around.” Trillions of dollars get dumped on the market, loans get called in, the bottom drops out of your dollar, its thousand per cent inflation and no manufacturing base and your own trade embargoes. So much for America.

I mean, it’s morally wrong; it’s stupid on every level. And yet here you are discussing why maybe you should get out in front of the Republicans on this, or planning your surrender to Bush. Why are you even discussing this?

What is wrong with America?

Case in Iraq:

Anyone here still remember the scam of Al Samoud 2?

I totally forgot about it until today when I read that Iran has enriched a supply of uranium for the first time and Iran’s president has said Iran won’t back down “one iota” over its nuclear program.

Remember when Saddam backed down? Its been so long even MY memory’s
been washed by Washington, but before the WMB bullshit we were hearing ranting and trash from Bush that it was because of Iraq’s Al Samoud 2 missiles had 10 miles extra range than allowed by the UN [funny how US itself never follows UN regulations] that the US was going to attack Iraq. Al Samoud 2 was a big issue for a while, and Bush gave Saddam an ultimatum of a week or so to disarm and destroy all 90 some missiles or else the US EVIL EMPIRE was going to attack….

what happened?

Saddam disarmed all missiles.

and then…

US Charged in with Guns a Blazing….
SHOOT FIRST THEN ASK questions torture…

Quick Draw Trigger Happy Cheney saying GO FUCK YOURSELF to the world.

The point is, North Korea, Iran and indeed the rest of the world saw this and learn from Iraq’s lesson. When dealing with EVIL like the US WHEEL OF EVIL EMPIRE there is no use in disarming your own weapons!!!!
Any country that still does that is PLAIN STUPID!!! LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO IRAQ!!!!

The Native Americans was too slow to learn the lesson, Iraq was too dumb to learn the lesson. Lets hope Iran does a pre-emptive strike FIRST this time and give Shrub a taste of his own medicine!!!

Now, to be fair I realize most Americans do not take lightly to criticism. But what about reason? Logic? Or plain common sense?

You seem to agree with the doctrine of pre-emptive strike correct? You say that if you know your enemy will attack you anyway, that it is your duty and obligation to attack them first to prevent damage to yourself.

So when I that Iran should attack America’s military and not wait until it is first attacked upon, what then do you have to object? I am simply praticing YOUR DOCTRINE OF PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE. If an enemy [the US in this case], will attack you anyway, (like how America will attack Iran, and how US with its proven track record DID attack Iraq) it is then Iran’s duty and obligation to pre-emptive the pre-emptive strike. America has proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN that is PRACTICES THE DOCTRINE OF STRIKING FIRST, so why the hell should other nations not do the same? If I know a bully in my neighboorhood already took out 5 of my neighboors why the hell should I not practice what he does and take HIM out first?

So if you [US] can do it, why can no other country practice the same thing?

Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.

Your war against Fear is not justified. It is actually a Resource War for oil, and a currency war for the dollar. Global Oil production has peaked and US will suffer the most from this crisis. The United States uses 25% of the world’s oil yet only has 5% of the world’s population. America is heavily in debt and bankruptcy is unavoidable. The coming housing bust will send the economy into a second greater depression.

While the Middle East countries find themselves targets in the “war on terror”, China, Russia, and Latin America find themselves targets in the recently declared and much more expansive “war on tyranny.” Whereas the “war on terror” is really a war for control of the world’s oil reserves, this newly declared “war on tyranny” is really a war for control of the world’s oil distribution and transportation chokepoints.

The dollar is in collapse, the economy is going to crash, oil is getting more scarce everyday. America is a nation that has its infrastructure built exclusively to be run on abundant cheap oil, with global demand of oil increasing exponentially and supply decreasing year after year, America has no other choice than to wage a global war on oil and currency and under the ruse of terror and freedom.

What? No believe? You still denial??

Don’t forget what horrible unspeakable atrocities your nation did to the Native Americans who were here before them.

America is not a legitimate nation. It is a British renegade colony that should have been repatriated. The Evil Colony of America and the Evil Treacherous George Washington General Coward betrayed his own England and set up this Avarice Nation. The Evil American Colony sent a bitching letter to King George and in essence said they were tired of paying their fair share of the taxes, but used the ruse of ‘taxation without representation’ as a pitiful pathetic excuse to cheat the motherland of resources.

This is true beginning of the EVIL AVARICE NATION that you so ardently defend.
This nation later went on and killed all the Native Americans. This is the Evil nation that usurped land from the French and called it a so called “Louisiana Purchase”. That’s like me going to the BMW car dealership and driving off with the latest 760Li and paying only 15 cents. That’s a ‘purchase’ all right… Do I need to remind you America Robbed Texas from Mexico? And then the Evil wasn’t satisfied so it did a pre-industrial version of Operation Northwood’s and then went down to the capital of Mexico and forced the Pres. Of Mexico to give away all the rest of the West to the US Wheel-Of-Evil Empire.

Any nation that steals so VAST amount of virgin LAND, Territory, resources, will of course attract talent like light attracts flies. This is Darwinism in action here. Greediest of the Greediest people of the world immigrate the America. These Avaricious lovers of Lust and Evil procreate and mingle with other fellow most-greedy-of-the-earth evil lovers and pretty soon of a few short generations you have most avaricious, self-serving, underhanded, egoistic, hypocritical, lustful, greedy SOBs in the entire universe.

Nothing America has belonged to America. Nothing Americans have achieved was because of America itself. This country is one big party of a free ride that runs on the rape, murder, torture, usurping, robbery, thievery, hijacking, empirizing, conquering,
Of other peaceful innocent nations. It has never done anything good for anyone except itself own selfish pig citizens.

And it would be extremely hypocritical of you to say well that’s all in the past. It was not that long ago when you mass murdered the Native Americans. Why are you charging Saddam for a crime no did not commit over 30 years ago??

You still in denial?

Your country uses extremist Muslim religions as an excuse to fight them for oil. You have been thoroughly brainwashed if you believe what you have been told.

Always remember this, the Arabs are NOT the ones in our land attacking and bombing our children, destroying our homes and robbing our resources. The Arabs are not the ones with Gigantic Military Killing Machines that are targeting our homeland, bulldozing our buildings, knocking down our Statue of Liberty. They do not have soldiers occupying our land (technically not even our land), raping American woman or cutting off the balls of American men. Sure they did 9/11, but 9/11 was but a drop in the bucket compared to what the US did to them. 9/11 was the act of a few terrorists, that cannot be compared to the prolonged repeated conquering, occupy, exploiting, and repressing of entire nations at the thumb and whip of the US Wheel-of-Evil Empire.

They are not the ones imposing economical sanctions on our nation, starving our children and weakening our population. They are not the ones who have Mac Mansions and drive luxury SUV’s and have Comcast internetS and living the grandiose life at the expense of poor third world nations of the entire world.

Imagine if such things happened to America? Unimaginable..
Think about that..

The pitiful thing is they can’t even get a fair revenge..

Are you beginning to see the imbalance?

What freedom do we really have? Do you think the citizens of America could find a ‘basis of negotiation’ with the Big Corporations of America? or with its current government? Americans yell and scream freedom down the throats of other people, but they fail to see they themselves are the least free of all. Their addiction to oil and free shopping spree and lustful desires has not only enslaved themselves, but held captive are also the innocent citizens and youth of Middle Eastern nations and countless other countries across the world. They are so morally and fiscally deprived that they have dragged the chains of slavery unto the entire world. Is this anyone’s idea of a model of ‘freedom’? America’s freedom and happiness directly comes from the expense of others, depriving them of their fair share of ‘freedom’, and yet these US hypocrites turn around and decree other nations need to be further ‘liberated’ to perpetuate their American Entitlement.

Do not for a second confuse standard of living for freedom, especially when you realize America’s high standard of living comes directly from the expense of those already much less fortunate.

I’m sure some Americans will do anything to defend the name of their country and their lifestyle, despite all facts to the contrary. Is that not as powerful or perhaps more powerful than Middle Eastern religious zeal? Too bad for the Middle Eastern religious nuts who don’t know this, but in this world those with big weapons & Advanced Killing Machines ALWAYS WIN.. The existence of American in this universe proves that there is no justice and fairness in this world, and also that there cannot possibly be any ‘God’, for no God would be so cruel. Foolish Muslims….

It is not so bold an assertion nor an exaggeration to make to say that America is the single greatest threat to humanity. And the Greatest Disgrace and disservice to all life forms on earth.

What? You still in denial?

You can argue all you want. But who’s better off? The American people or the people of nations it attacks?

Who sends their kids to private schools, piano lessons, soccer games, football games, to cheerleading tryouts, to UIL’s??

American has manipulated global markets and currency in the past to pay of its massive debt, and then when the third world suffers directly because of its actions it gives a tiny little aid and call it a great humanitarian effort.

It’s comparable to robbing a bank and giving back the spare change in your pocket. Its an PR act, you should see it for what it really is.

I’ll bet anything that the Iraq people would much RATHER fix our national highways, if it means there citizens could live OUR lifestyle..

My question to you American’s : would you switch places with the third world that you terrorize? if you can’t say yes, then stop bitching.
Put your money where your mouth is you hypocrites.

Still no believe??

Metaphorically speaking, you and others like you are the type of people who would complain that handicap parking spaces are unfair because that means you have to walk furthur, or that its unfair that the homeless doesn’t have to pay any taxes. But let me assure you that the handicapped would much rather have their HEALTH back than a handicap placard, and the homeless would much rather have a roof over their heads, a nice warm cozy bed with a family and kids and take vacations to exotic places twice a year and would be MORE THAN HAPPY to pay those taxes that you would so despise.

The point is, the grass is NOT always greener on the other side, certaintly not when the ‘other side’ is someplace in the Middle East.

Bottomline: who has benefited because of America’s actions over the last two hundred years? Certaintly not the Native Americans…..

Something to think about ya know…

I should point out to you that terrorism is actually a war tactic.
One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorists. If you apply
the strict definition of ‘terrorism’ and not that of the FOX 4 version, you would see that America sends their own ‘terrorists’ to foreign lands much more than the number of terrorists who have come here to attack the U.S.

Terrorism is much like asymmetric warfare. It is a tactic deployed by the weak against the strong. That fact in and of itself should answer your question as to why ‘terrorists’ don’t rebuild power plants, schools and water systems…

If they had that ability, they would not need to resort to terrorism in the first place. And let it also be known that America is not doing such great services for the benefit of the Iraqi people but only for its own long term self interest and political agenda of worldwide domination.

Believing in anything else would be like a kid accepting a ride from a stranger for the benefit of the candy bar. He’s giving me candy so he must have my best intentions at heart, right??

And please don’t use a religious excuse ever again.

religion is not the main issue here. Religion is NOT why we [US Army] are in Iraq. Religion is NOT why we will be in Iran. Religion is NOT why we were in Korea, or Vietnam, and its also not why we nuke Japan twice even though they were prepared to surrender.

When America fights China over oil and resources the U.S. will have to come up with something else besides ‘religion’ to explain away their addiction of usurping. I wonder to myself if the only the Native Indian Americans were Christians to begin with they might not have suffered their ultimate fate??? hmmm….

Religion is really not even the issue here at all. Your missing the real point. We [U.S.] are like the drug dealers who got these poor people into this hellhole and mess in the first place, and then we blame them for their condition. Wake up America! If you don’t, [and I know you won't] peak oil will be your alarm clock that you can’t shut off.

Still no believe?

Maybe you say since I live in American I should just shut up and stop complaining. Well, I have but this to say to you:

again, your argument that just because I live here in America I should shut up and stop complaining is [b]hypocritical.

When the Chinese government tells its own people the same thing, somehow the US WHEEL OF HYPOCRISY will intervene and starting bitching at Hu for not giving enough ‘civil right’ to the Chinese people.

Since when did the US GOV care about Chinese people? Last time I checked they very bitched about the trade imbalance and China’s growing oil demands. If they [US] are caring they sure as hell aren’t showing it by their actions.

You still denial?

Have you heard of Operation Northwood’s? If not I encourage you to do some research of it online or at a library. America Northwood’s was America’s EVIL PLAN to bomb and murder it own citizens and frame it on foreign nations in order to get ‘justification’ for an unpopular war. And this is just what is make public, your government is clearly capable of doing must more evil considering all the secret classified documents of plans such as Operation Northwoods that will never be make public.

And for those of you not in the know, there is ample irresputable evident that on 9/11 World Trade Center Building 7 was bombed by your own US Government. WTC 7 collapsed in a precisely vertical fashion. First, no building collapses exactly vertically unless it was engineered and rigged to do so. Second, WTC was a steel building. And no steel building has ever collapsed due to minimal fire. What is the motive you ask? Your EVIL EMPIRE propaganda machine loves drama. Americans citizens are the mob, and George Walker Commodus will use fear and drama to feeds American’s people to the lions (CEO Government, Big Business, Military-Industrial Complex) and you will THANK HIM FOR IT.

Isn’t that what you are doing now?

What, still denial?

Then let me give you this cool movie clip, perhaps it can enlighten you of reality.

http://festival.sundance.org/2006/watch/film.aspx?which=402&category=DOC

Best,

Bo Chen

Ryan April 26, 2006 at 7:22 am

Why shouldn’t we do what we need to do in order to secure our resources?

Going to war for oil makes perfect sense. Without oil, we can’t drive, food doesn’t get to markets, we can’t fly, and numerous other things that Americans need will not be realized. If we all lived in huts and farmed in a plot of land aside the manger then OK, oil wars are bad. But that’s not the reality of today’s world or this war.

Of course that’s even assuming this war was fought for oil. Is a war on tyranny a bad thing? Seems to me World War II was that kind of war… Come to think of it, so was the Cold War too. Where they worth it? Mideast oil was an big issue in those two conflicts too.

Chris April 26, 2006 at 12:12 pm

I feel the need to address bxc2739’s comments on Iran. The comment about “mass candlelight vigils being held in Tehran” and how it proves that Iran is on our side is not as accurate as it was made out to be. True, these spontaneous vigils did break out, but one thing that bxc2739 failed to mention is that agents of the Iranian government quickly shut them down. Much of the population in Iran is pro-Western, however the government is not. This is especially true in the fashion that the Reformist canidates were banned from seeking election , thus leading to Mahmoud’s “election.”

Also remember that in most Middle Eastern States, the governments have much more control over their people than does our government in the US. Just as an example, one of my students had for a period of time lived in Saudi Arabia. Many natives of Saudi Arabia her age thought very highly of America, however they were very careful about what they said and when they said it. This is a testament to that fact that they never know who is listening. We must remember to make the distinction between what the regualr citizens think and when they can say it vs. what the government thinks. It is for this reason that we should be wary about comments that Iran has gone from loving to hating us in 5 years.

rightonoz April 26, 2006 at 11:16 pm

Well,

bxc did verge on making a FEW valid points. Let’s face it, in the west (and ’some people say’ (to use the favourite Fox TV expression) that GWB is more guilty than many, we do have dual standards. It’s ok for the US to help overthrow democraticly elected governements that are too left wing and install a rabid dictatorship (Chile, Argentina….), every bit as bad as Sadam , but no threat to US oil interests. But then he shot himself down by raving like some rabid dog. Yes our governments have supported regimes that have suppressed peoples in the Arab world, Israel to the exclusion of a more balanced plan plan that may have brought moderate Arabs onto our side and helped prevent the growth of Arab terrorism (PERHAPS)

Ryan, a dangerous statement that it is ok to go to war to secure oil supplies. Let’s face it the oil belongs to them. The beloved free market rules give them the right to use oil as an economic weapon, just as any US company will use it’s resources as economic weapons given half a chance. Let’s face it the US, UK, France etc have all used economic as well as physical weapons. Under those same free market rules, we either find alternative sources or bend over and ‘take it like a man’.

Having some in depth exposure to Iranian’s on business, yes, most of them are very much pro west (though some do not forgive the US for dumping the Shah and letting the redicals take over). Most just want to be left to live a free’er life and not to pick sides, though the West (Sorry mainly US and perhaps UK) do seem to be driving them towards a position where their country is under such a threat from the US/Israel that they dare not speak their mind, even to friends, and many are actually swinging against us.

Ryan April 27, 2006 at 4:53 pm

The oil belongs to them because the West gave it to them. We dug it, we built the infrastructure, and in an act of good will, the British decided to let go of their colonial possessions after WWI and WWII, some having oil rich, Western-friendly monarchs at the helm (ie-Saudi Arabia).

The economy of the West runs and depends on oil. Economic prosperity leads to political stability, which leads to political plurality and a higher standard of living. I wish we weren’t so dependent on Islamo-fascist regimes in the Mideast for that resource, but that’s the reality. China and India will realize this soon, after their first big recessions caused by oil supply at some point, and join the club.

I don’t like war, having had my brother just get back from a year in Iraq, but I understand that national self-interests are powerful forces and coersion is sometimes necessary. Leaving the military option off the table in that case only emboldens those who already have us by the balls.

Mike April 27, 2006 at 7:49 pm

I love how this topic emerged in a post on a completely different topic but here goes. I’d like to point out that Ryan’s comments re: oil were sarcastic. I say this because I have personally iscussed the topic with him. Sarcasm sometimes doesn’t coem through in writing.

I won’t address all of the first commenter’s points as the idiocy speaks for itself. I beleive Oz implictly acknowledged that as well.

I think much of this debate is based on the false premise that Iran is a peaceful nation being pressured into unilateral disarmament by a bunch of hypocrites. The fact of the matter is that the U.S. is the most powerful nation on the earth which will use force to defend itself unless the Democrats are in power. (remember Oz, it was Carter betrayed the Shah). It is not the stated policy of the U.S. to invade other nations to create a theocracy. That was a stated goal of the Pan Islamic Iranian revolution.

During the 1980s, the U.S. did indeed provide assistance to the Pan-Arabic dictator in Iraq; however the purpose of this action was to have the two nations undermine each other in the process.
Sometimes in war, it is necessary to align with less than desirable regimes to achieve an objective. We did this with the USSR against the Nazis. It is smart to take out one threat and worry about the other at a later date.

Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, a big no no in a post 9/11 world. They are developing nukes, not for defensive purposes against an American Empire as some moonbats would have us beleive, but to annihiate Israel, continue their sponsorship of terror, and threaten the world with their radical version of Islam as articulated by the Islamofascists in 1979, the same group the current president surrounded himself with.

Oz raises a good point about the Iranian people. I appreciate the fact they want to be left alone. However, the U.S. cannot ignore Iranian leadership when htat leadership specifically threatens our ally, Israel, with destruction. The U.S. cannot ignore a regime which has harbored and continues to harbor and sponsor terrorists who would strike American soil. That sad fact was a fact even before 9-11. Any suffering inflicted on the Iranian people is the result of their leaders, not ours.

Our nation will defend itself. If rogue states don’t want to taste our daisy cutters, then they best back off.

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