Comments on: Republican Debate Winners: Romney, Hunter, McCain. Losers: Giuliani, MSDNC http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/ Conservative Politics, Religion, Culture, and Anything Else Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:02:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Anonymoushttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1704 Anonymous Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:09:12 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1704 Obama is ahead of Mccain. John must be very clear about the main issues. The main issue is the economy. You cannot pick up one population of people and slam it down on top of another without economical impact. Put up the fence and fine employers who hire illegal people. Secure the borders. If Mccain comes out on this side of this issue he will be the next president. If not he won't.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1704','Anonymous'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1704','Anonymous','Obama is ahead of Mccain. John must be very clear about the main issues. The main issue is the economy. You cannot pick up one population of people and slam it down on top of another without economical impact. Put up the fence and fine employers who hire illegal people. Secure the borders. If Mccain comes out on this side of this issue he will be the next president. If not he won\'t.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Obama is ahead of Mccain. John must be very clear about the main issues. The main issue is the economy. You cannot pick up one population of people and slam it down on top of another without economical impact. Put up the fence and fine employers who hire illegal people. Secure the borders. If Mccain comes out on this side of this issue he will be the next president. If not he won’t.
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]]> By: Ryanhttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1702 Ryan Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:30:10 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1702 Dean did have a better chance than Paul does. I don't expect Paul to stick around too much longer, or even get invited to too many more subsequent debates. By August, if you're polling less than 5% you have no feasible chance of winning and should not clutter our stages.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1702','Ryan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1702','Ryan','Dean did have a better chance than Paul does. I don\'t expect Paul to stick around too much longer, or even get invited to too many more subsequent debates. By August, if you\'re polling less than 5% you have no feasible chance of winning and should not clutter our stages.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Dean did have a better chance than Paul does. I don’t expect Paul to stick around too much longer, or even get invited to too many more subsequent debates. By August, if you’re polling less than 5% you have no feasible chance of winning and should not clutter our stages.
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]]> By: Edward Mannhttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1703 Edward Mann Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:55:20 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1703 Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance, just like Democrat Dean in 2004. The national committee (ie, Karl Rove) pretty much chooses the candidate, and they don't like Paul. Incidentally, the $50,000 a plate fundraiser dinners ("selling" the honor of meeting high-ranking politicians, under the bogus pretense that this somehow isn't selling influence OR accepting a contribution over the $2500 limit) will go to the "chosen" candidates, as will the media attention. The RNC also influence who gets into the audience at the debates, which is important since most Americans base their impressions on how other people react. Even if Paul was to mount Internet and word-of-mouth support as Dean did, the RNC would crush him just and the DNC did to Dean. (and, possibly, disenfranchise their voters so much that they lose the election just as the Democrats did in 2004)<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1703','Edward Mann'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1703','Edward Mann','Ron Paul doesn\'t stand a chance, just like Democrat Dean in 2004. The national committee (ie, Karl Rove) pretty much chooses the candidate, and they don\'t like Paul. Incidentally, the $50,000 a plate fundraiser dinners (\"selling\" the honor of meeting high-ranking politicians, under the bogus pretense that this somehow isn\'t selling influence OR accepting a contribution over the $2500 limit) will go to the \"chosen\" candidates, as will the media attention. The RNC also influence who gets into the audience at the debates, which is important since most Americans base their impressions on how other people react. Even if Paul was to mount Internet and word-of-mouth support as Dean did, the RNC would crush him just and the DNC did to Dean. (and, possibly, disenfranchise their voters so much that they lose the election just as the Democrats did in 2004)'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ron Paul doesn’t stand a chance, just like Democrat Dean in 2004. The national committee (ie, Karl Rove) pretty much chooses the candidate, and they don’t like Paul. Incidentally, the $50,000 a plate fundraiser dinners (“selling” the honor of meeting high-ranking politicians, under the bogus pretense that this somehow isn’t selling influence OR accepting a contribution over the $2500 limit) will go to the “chosen” candidates, as will the media attention. The RNC also influence who gets into the audience at the debates, which is important since most Americans base their impressions on how other people react. Even if Paul was to mount Internet and word-of-mouth support as Dean did, the RNC would crush him just and the DNC did to Dean. (and, possibly, disenfranchise their voters so much that they lose the election just as the Democrats did in 2004)
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]]> By: Ryanhttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1693 Ryan Tue, 08 May 2007 20:57:04 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1693 Perhaps Ron Paul and good ol' Nelson Aldrich may have something's to say to each other about Republican politics of the 19-oughts, all while Marcus Hanna and William H. Taft serve up the brandy and cigars!It's a 2008 Republican primary, first of all, and Ron Paul was the punch-line MSDNC decided to include, much like the Democrat's Mike Gravel was selected to liven things up at their debate. Secondly, the MSDNC poll was an online sampling, which are notorious for unscientific poll-crashing samples. It's conceiveable that the poll is real. It's also highly conceiveable that the Paul camp crashed the polls by campaign dictate as soon as the debate ended.Actually, I get the feeling that the MSM has been touting Giuliani and McCain as the winners. My sense is that they are the media favorites. I may not agree with everything Romney says personally, but he looked poised, was the most articulate on his positions, and stayed positive throughout. Ron Paul is more of a libertarian than a Republican, but his limited government message is refreshing now and then.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1693','Ryan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1693','Ryan','Perhaps Ron Paul and good ol\' Nelson Aldrich may have something\'s to say to each other about Republican politics of the 19-oughts, all while Marcus Hanna and William H. Taft serve up the brandy and cigars!\n\nIt\'s a 2008 Republican primary, first of all, and Ron Paul was the punch-line MSDNC decided to include, much like the Democrat\'s Mike Gravel was selected to liven things up at their debate. Secondly, the MSDNC poll was an online sampling, which are notorious for unscientific poll-crashing samples. It\'s conceiveable that the poll is real. It\'s also highly conceiveable that the Paul camp crashed the polls by campaign dictate as soon as the debate ended.\n\nActually, I get the feeling that the MSM has been touting Giuliani and McCain as the winners. My sense is that they are the media favorites. I may not agree with everything Romney says personally, but he looked poised, was the most articulate on his positions, and stayed positive throughout. Ron Paul is more of a libertarian than a Republican, but his limited government message is refreshing now and then.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Perhaps Ron Paul and good ol’ Nelson Aldrich may have something’s to say to each other about Republican politics of the 19-oughts, all while Marcus Hanna and William H. Taft serve up the brandy and cigars!

It’s a 2008 Republican primary, first of all, and Ron Paul was the punch-line MSDNC decided to include, much like the Democrat’s Mike Gravel was selected to liven things up at their debate. Secondly, the MSDNC poll was an online sampling, which are notorious for unscientific poll-crashing samples. It’s conceiveable that the poll is real. It’s also highly conceiveable that the Paul camp crashed the polls by campaign dictate as soon as the debate ended.

Actually, I get the feeling that the MSM has been touting Giuliani and McCain as the winners. My sense is that they are the media favorites. I may not agree with everything Romney says personally, but he looked poised, was the most articulate on his positions, and stayed positive throughout. Ron Paul is more of a libertarian than a Republican, but his limited government message is refreshing now and then.

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]]> By: Matthttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1695 Matt Tue, 08 May 2007 04:38:59 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1695 As Jess notes, Ron Paul was the clear cut winner according to opinion polls. MSNBC puts Paul with 40% approval with the next highest being Romney at 27%. Yet Romney was the winner, go figure. Just another example of the mainstream media, like poster "Mike" here, trying to tell people who they should like and what they should believe.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1695','Matt'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1695','Matt','As Jess notes, Ron Paul was the clear cut winner according to opinion polls. MSNBC puts Paul with 40% approval with the next highest being Romney at 27%. Yet Romney was the winner, go figure. Just another example of the mainstream media, like poster \"Mike\" here, trying to tell people who they should like and what they should believe.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> As Jess notes, Ron Paul was the clear cut winner according to opinion polls. MSNBC puts Paul with 40% approval with the next highest being Romney at 27%. Yet Romney was the winner, go figure. Just another example of the mainstream media, like poster “Mike” here, trying to tell people who they should like and what they should believe.
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]]> By: Mikehttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Mike Mon, 07 May 2007 17:39:11 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1694 Ron Paul? You do realize this was a Republican debate? Surrender and reliving the 60s were never priorities in the GOP. Romney OTOH gave excellent answers and managed to go in depth with the limited time available. Me thinks the left protests too much when it comes to Romney. Hmmm.Thank you for the comment Jess. You gave me something to ponder.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1694','Mike'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1694','Mike','Ron Paul? You do realize this was a Republican debate? Surrender and reliving the 60s were never priorities in the GOP. Romney OTOH gave excellent answers and managed to go in depth with the limited time available. Me thinks the left protests too much when it comes to Romney. Hmmm.\n\nThank you for the comment Jess. You gave me something to ponder.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ron Paul? You do realize this was a Republican debate? Surrender and reliving the 60s were never priorities in the GOP. Romney OTOH gave excellent answers and managed to go in depth with the limited time available. Me thinks the left protests too much when it comes to Romney. Hmmm.

Thank you for the comment Jess. You gave me something to ponder.

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]]> By: jesshttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1698 jess Mon, 07 May 2007 16:01:32 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1698 There was one clear winner, and I am surprised that the corporate media, including their crony websites ignore: that was ron paul. Come on guys, Romney the pretty boy showed immaturity and ignorance. it is shocking to hear that the media is trying to inculcate in our mind that he is the winner: like trying to convince us that black is white or vice versa. Jess<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1698','jess'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1698','jess','There was one clear winner, and I am surprised that the corporate media, including their crony websites ignore: that was ron paul. Come on guys, Romney the pretty boy showed immaturity and ignorance. it is shocking to hear that the media is trying to inculcate in our mind that he is the winner: like trying to convince us that black is white or vice versa.\nJess'); return false;">Quote</a></div> There was one clear winner, and I am surprised that the corporate media, including their crony websites ignore: that was ron paul. Come on guys, Romney the pretty boy showed immaturity and ignorance. it is shocking to hear that the media is trying to inculcate in our mind that he is the winner: like trying to convince us that black is white or vice versa.
Jess
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]]> By: Ryanhttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1699 Ryan Fri, 04 May 2007 21:48:20 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1699 I can see Noonan's point that Chrissy had his favorite targets and those he ordained "also-rans" before they said a word, and Gilmour was not someone who spoke much. But, beyond the politicking and maneuvering for specific sectors of the base, I thought Gilmour appeared more relaxed, more articulate, and more interesting than most of the crew, thoguh I agree he was not vetted very thoroughly.I'd love another chance here to knock McCain, if I could. He was very contrived and transparent. He wants to lead the party, but feels fine being a maverick, philosophically agreeing with Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold on significant issues of security and speech. To me, that's fundamentally not cool with someone who wants to be my party's leader. Plus, he's a little loopy. He'd chase Bin Ladin "to the gates of Hell" and then immediately smiles after saying it... (a "my precious" moment if I ever saw one!). He starts the debate ready to beat up the podium in an awkward display of self-agrandizement and machismo-- he was literally being a bully to the pulpit. Some saw that as McCain being strong and forceful on the issues. I laughed, wondering if McCain feels the slip between passionate poise and embarassment.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1699','Ryan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1699','Ryan','I can see Noonan\'s point that Chrissy had his favorite targets and those he ordained \"also-rans\" before they said a word, and Gilmour was not someone who spoke much. But, beyond the politicking and maneuvering for specific sectors of the base, I thought Gilmour appeared more relaxed, more articulate, and more interesting than most of the crew, thoguh I agree he was not vetted very thoroughly.\n\nI\'d love another chance here to knock McCain, if I could. He was very contrived and transparent. He wants to lead the party, but feels fine being a maverick, philosophically agreeing with Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold on significant issues of security and speech. To me, that\'s fundamentally not cool with someone who wants to be my party\'s leader. Plus, he\'s a little loopy. He\'d chase Bin Ladin \"to the gates of Hell\" and then immediately smiles after saying it... (a \"my precious\" moment if I ever saw one!). He starts the debate ready to beat up the podium in an awkward display of self-agrandizement and machismo-- he was literally being a bully to the pulpit. Some saw that as McCain being strong and forceful on the issues. I laughed, wondering if McCain feels the slip between passionate poise and embarassment.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I can see Noonan’s point that Chrissy had his favorite targets and those he ordained “also-rans” before they said a word, and Gilmour was not someone who spoke much. But, beyond the politicking and maneuvering for specific sectors of the base, I thought Gilmour appeared more relaxed, more articulate, and more interesting than most of the crew, thoguh I agree he was not vetted very thoroughly.

I’d love another chance here to knock McCain, if I could. He was very contrived and transparent. He wants to lead the party, but feels fine being a maverick, philosophically agreeing with Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold on significant issues of security and speech. To me, that’s fundamentally not cool with someone who wants to be my party’s leader. Plus, he’s a little loopy. He’d chase Bin Ladin “to the gates of Hell” and then immediately smiles after saying it… (a “my precious” moment if I ever saw one!). He starts the debate ready to beat up the podium in an awkward display of self-agrandizement and machismo– he was literally being a bully to the pulpit. Some saw that as McCain being strong and forceful on the issues. I laughed, wondering if McCain feels the slip between passionate poise and embarassment.

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]]> By: Chrishttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1700 Chris Fri, 04 May 2007 19:46:44 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1700 Warner won not necessarily because of Gilmore (remember that 9/11 had conributed to slowing down the NoVA economy), but really for two reasons:1) The Republican field was divided between Earley and Hager, and Earley could not unite the party2) Warner tried to take advantage of this rift by passing himself off as a moderate Democrat, when in reality, he's a lib and fought for two tax increases.3) VA's demographic is changing and more Democrat populations are moving into NoVA (Fairfax, Arlington, Loudoun), thus providing significant contributions to the wins by Tim Kaine and Jim "Melonhead" Webb.While it is early, Gimore's time as VA Governor and GOP Chairman should defintely be used as positive experiences that should encourage Americans to give him a look.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1700','Chris'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1700','Chris','Warner won not necessarily because of Gilmore (remember that 9\/11 had conributed to slowing down the NoVA economy), but really for two reasons:\n\n1) The Republican field was divided between Earley and Hager, and Earley could not unite the party\n\n2) Warner tried to take advantage of this rift by passing himself off as a moderate Democrat, when in reality, he\'s a lib and fought for two tax increases.\n\n3) VA\'s demographic is changing and more Democrat populations are moving into NoVA (Fairfax, Arlington, Loudoun), thus providing significant contributions to the wins by Tim Kaine and Jim \"Melonhead\" Webb.\n\nWhile it is early, Gimore\'s time as VA Governor and GOP Chairman should defintely be used as positive experiences that should encourage Americans to give him a look.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Warner won not necessarily because of Gilmore (remember that 9/11 had conributed to slowing down the NoVA economy), but really for two reasons:

1) The Republican field was divided between Earley and Hager, and Earley could not unite the party

2) Warner tried to take advantage of this rift by passing himself off as a moderate Democrat, when in reality, he’s a lib and fought for two tax increases.

3) VA’s demographic is changing and more Democrat populations are moving into NoVA (Fairfax, Arlington, Loudoun), thus providing significant contributions to the wins by Tim Kaine and Jim “Melonhead” Webb.

While it is early, Gimore’s time as VA Governor and GOP Chairman should defintely be used as positive experiences that should encourage Americans to give him a look.

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]]> By: Noonanhttp://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/comment-page-1/#comment-1696 Noonan Fri, 04 May 2007 18:34:34 +0000 http://axisofright.com/2007/05/03/gop-debate-winners-romney-hunter-mccain-losers-giuliani-msdnc/#comment-1696 Not sure I would agree that Gilmore is worth a look as a "true conservative". He says he's Pro-Life but believes in abortion to the perfectly arbitrary and acceptable to nobody time of 8 weeks in utero. He ran for governor on a platform of eliminating the car tax and failed to do so. He was a fiscal nightmare and incredibly unpopular, and because of that he is partially responsible for paving the way for Warner (D) to becoming governor. Just because Matthews didn't vet him doesn't mean he's solid.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1696','Noonan'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1696','Noonan','Not sure I would agree that Gilmore is worth a look as a \"true conservative\". He says he\'s Pro-Life but believes in abortion to the perfectly arbitrary and acceptable to nobody time of 8 weeks in utero. He ran for governor on a platform of eliminating the car tax and failed to do so. He was a fiscal nightmare and incredibly unpopular, and because of that he is partially responsible for paving the way for Warner (D) to becoming governor. Just because Matthews didn\'t vet him doesn\'t mean he\'s solid.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Not sure I would agree that Gilmore is worth a look as a “true conservative”. He says he’s Pro-Life but believes in abortion to the perfectly arbitrary and acceptable to nobody time of 8 weeks in utero. He ran for governor on a platform of eliminating the car tax and failed to do so. He was a fiscal nightmare and incredibly unpopular, and because of that he is partially responsible for paving the way for Warner (D) to becoming governor. Just because Matthews didn’t vet him doesn’t mean he’s solid.
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