PKK, Turkey Ready for War

by Ryan on October 21, 2007

in Politics,The Iraq Front

The separatist Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) have wanted an independent Kurdistan and special rights for Kurds in neighboring Turkey for quite a long time.  However, cross-border raids into Turkey, killing Turkish soldiers and civilians is a great way to get yourself into a war you can’t win. 

That’s just what may be happening. 

So, where does the US play in all of this?  The Iraqi government would have a hard time dealing with cross-border attacks by Turkey, which would further strain our relations with Turkey, who America needs for fuel and transportation, including their airspace.  Turkey is a member of NATO, so that complicates things too.  The Kurds in general trade with and tend to be minimally diplomatic with Turkey, but the PKK is a Kurdish group performing acts of terror and intimidation in retaliation for they believe has been Turkish oppression of the Kurdish minority in that region, a region that they think should be part of Kurdistan. 

So, are the PKK freedom fighters or terrorists?  Bombing a Turkish wedding party certainly doesn’t sound like the actions of freedom fighters.  I can’t say Turkey’s wrong here.  If “reconquista” bandits from Mexico came over and shot up some places or planted roadside bombs in our border towns, what would we do?  Heck, I support following the IRG into Iran and attacking their support bases while we’re there.  But, I also would like to see a different outcome here if possible.  Iraq is in a very vulnerable place right now and anything like this could destabilize it further, which is not the headache that America needs right now.

{ 10 comments… read them below or add one }

Dented Halo October 21, 2007 at 11:31 am

Lets look at some facts.
1. The Kurdish region in Iraq has stated there were PKK offices there which were since closed.
2. The PKK have killed innocent civilians, including blowing up a bus of largely Kurdish people, including children. This is one of many such documented examples of civilians killed by the PKK.

From these two facts alone, the PKK are terrorists (not rebels) who have had public bases (now hidden) in Kurdish Iraq. So why doesn’t CNN call the PKK terrorists?

3. Turkey is a NATO member and others are supposed to come in an help when under attack.
4. Over the past 30 years, thousands of Turkish soldiers and civilians have been killed by PKK terrorists.

From these facts, the US is not fullfilling its duties as a NATO member. Nor are other NATO members, why?

5. The US invaded Iraq based on faulty intelligence.
6. Turkey has real intelligence that PKK is in Kurdish Iraq.
7. The US supported Israel’s crossing Lebanon’s border to protect itself from terrorists (or rebels)?

From these facts, the US has no moral authority to say to Turkey that it should not cross into Iraq to defend itself. Unless, is Israel somehow special?

In most of these Middle-East discussions, facts seem to be routinely ignored. As such, US foreign policy has no common standard and hence no foundation to stand on. One small part to straightening this out is if they, and news agencies like CNN or BBC at least acknowledge the facts and then begin to debate policy from those points. But maybe that’s too painful.


Nihal October 21, 2007 at 11:36 am

Sure Iraq is very vulnerable right now in the eyes of the U.S. But at the end, Turkey needs to consider its own interest, not the interest of the U.S. Because, the U.S. is only and only considering its own interest and they don’t care how many Turkish people or soldirs die. At least, Turkey does not want to go into Northern Iraq for the oil, it’s there to protect its citizens from the PKK terrorist. Yes, it is a terrorist organization, not a freedom fighters group. If let’s say a group wants to have Texas as their own country and take it away from the U.S. and thus they put bombs all over to kill Americans, would you call them freedom fighters? I don’t think anyone would. If this has happened in the Mexico border, the U.S. would have been there fighting against the terrorist organization long ago. Unfortunately, the governement of Turkey (Islamic government that’s been supported by EU and the U.S.) who’s agenda to make Turkey another Iran is not taking action, because they will lose their brother Bush’s support. They do what the U.S. says, this is the problem. Otherwise, Turkish military would have been fighting against the PKK in Northern Iraq right now. This is what the people of Turkey want, they’re on the streets asking for it. Turkish people are so angry right now that so many of them are volunteering to go to the Army to help fight the terrorism. Those are people who have completed their military dues. I feel really bad about all this but I feel even worse for the families of those young people who are dying for nothing.


Suzan October 21, 2007 at 11:41 am

The U.S. needs to help Turkey to solve the terrorist problem.


dali October 21, 2007 at 12:21 pm

“separatist”, “rebels”? If These terms are using conciously, How can we battle against to terorism? PKK is absolutely a teror organization and its members terorists? You remember! If we say “our terorist is bad, yours’ are good.”, the threat, one day, will shoot everybody.


dali October 21, 2007 at 12:28 pm

PKK’s terrorists killed over 40,000 peoples in Turkey from civillians and armies. Some of them were baby, children or senior citizens.


dali October 21, 2007 at 12:30 pm

called them as “separatist” or freedom fighters? Of course, impossible!


dali October 21, 2007 at 12:32 pm

They are going to be die for their country, this was not “dying for nothing”


Jan October 21, 2007 at 3:47 pm

Nihal said:

> If let’s say a group wants to have Texas as their own country and take it away from the U.S. and thus they put bombs all over to kill Americans, would you call them freedom fighters?

Let me edit that a bit:

> If let’s say a group wants to have Texas as their own country and take it away from the MEXICANS and thus they fired CANONS all over SAN JACINTO kill MEXICANS, would you call them freedom fighters?


Ryan October 21, 2007 at 5:50 pm

Dented Halo:
I actually agree with you, but I just think that this complicates our situation in the region. The IRaqi Kurds should distance themselves from the PKK starkly and promptly and the Iraqi government should promise help in rooting them out. Insurgencies in Iraq are a plague and one more will only be a headache: the Sunni’s had the dead-enders and al Qaeda for a while, the Shia have Mookie’s Iranian supported militia, not the Kurdish PKK seems to be the next insurgent group that needs to be confronted and marginalized.

I am not a relativist and will not associate American farmers in ol’ Tejas to PKK rebels in Turkey. For one, the analogy is bad: the Kurds were there as far back as the Turks were and have a gripe that’s been there for a long long time, while slave holding Americans moved into northern Mexico and rebelled against the anti-slavery laws imposed upon them. It doesn’t make it right for the Americans to do what they did, but it’s not the same kind of argument.


Azhy April 17, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Lol @ nerds,

Pkk are freedom fighters, When turkey attacks kurdistan afcourse PKK is gonna defend , Pkk lives on the line between turkey and kurdistan? , so how can pkk attk them?

the truth is turkey wants to come inside


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