Poll: Throw ‘Em Out!

by Ryan on October 11, 2013

in Anything Else,Culture,Election 2014,Media Bias,Politics,Stupid government

A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll of “adults” (the least accurate type of polling sample aside from “people I know”) found that 57% of Americans would throw out their member of Congress if they could.

Lucky for Americans, they can!  Every two years, we get to toss out the entire House and 1/3 of the Senate!  What’s cool is that this has been the case for over 200 years, so we’ve worked out the kinks.

The Constitution, folks — it’ll save you every time! 

While the poll’s sampling is suspect I don’t doubt the sentiment at all.  I think a lot of that discontent is on the right.  The left is entrenched — they own the system which everyone thinks is broken.  The right is the only place for a true shift to emerge, but so many of them campaign on real solutions yet govern Democrat-lite (or get attacked by an Establishment which has a stake in the dysfunctional system).

Yet, the sentiment that “my Congressman is fine, it’s all the others who suck” is still strong — 90% of incumbents won reelection in 2012.  Unless people get serious about throwing the bums out, we’re not going to see any kind of shift.  Why would our representatives change their behavior if we keep voting for them?  Right.

{ 4 comments… read them below or add one }

rightonoz October 12, 2013 at 3:19 pm

I hope you do throw them out.

Sorry guys, but your government is the laughing stock of the world at present.

Trying to tie passing a budget bill to defunding a law judged legal by the SC (won’t go into that one) while keeping every bit of pork barrel that in the end benefits mostly the rich.

There are other targets the Republicans should have, sensible budgets etc, rather than looking stupid to the world focussing on Obamacare.

Just as an aside, properly done “socialist” medicine is damn good. Canada’s works well. Ours, despite one or two issues (not enough doctors) works extremely well, Daughter just returned from 7 yrs in UK says theirs was great (yes it’s not perfect), and I have personal experience of Germany’s – TOP SHELF! I do have experience of the US system with broken ribs and suspected perforated spleen, left on a stretcher for most of a day, no pain killers, not even minimal care until they finally managed to confirm my insurance.

In all the countries mentioned every person (especially those who cannot afford insurance) gets a guaranteed standard of care. If you can afford it, you take out insurance and get premium levels of care. I might add your insurance companies refuse treatments as “experimental” that are every day in other countries, and the cost of drugs and care in the US is MANY times that of Australia for no better care.

Before I complained about Obamacare, I’d be getting VERY angry about the rip-offs in your drug and health insurance companies.


Sal October 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm

Sorry, Oz. You’re off-base on this one. It is completely the Congress’ prerogative to defund laws, whether or not the Supreme Court judged it legal or not. They’re the Congress, they *make* the laws. This has tons of historical precedent and has been done for much of our history. While I may think that the focus may have been better off elsewear, there is nothing legally incorrect or unprecedented about this action. A budget bill is all about funding, so defunding a law that will add trillions to the budget is not out of bounds at all.

Second, if Canada is such a great example of Socialized medicine, why do more wealthy Canadians come to the U.S. for coverage? Why is the UK system currently in huge financial trouble? Frankly, socialized medicine is not damn good. The only reason it works in the rest of the world is because the *lack* of socialized medicine in the U.S. has kept the innovation and research going, and providing medical advances to the rest of the world.

As far as your own experience, when and where the hell did that happen? The rule of thumb for U.S. hospitals is treat first (esp in emergency situations), ask for insurance later. If what you described happened in any hospital I know of, that hospital would get sued.

And by the way – the reasons the health care costs from the drug and health insurance companies are so high are because of previous health care legislation in the 70s and 80s that drove up the costs. I won’t get into it here, but it’s precisely because of government intervention that we have these cost problems, and Obamacare (which isn’t even socialized medicine, by the way, just a bad train wreck of a plan that will drive the cost of insurance up even further) will just exacerbate this fact.

Finally, I could give a shit what the rest of the world thinks of us regarding our domestic affairs. This has to do with what is best for the U.S., not what the rest of the world thinks of us (no offense to you personally – I’m just tired of that argument, especially when it comes to things that have zero to do with the rest of the world.)


rightonoz October 13, 2013 at 1:01 am

Hi Sal,

Santa Clara is where it happened.

As for suing, don’t know how I’d go there as an Aus, and it’s not our/my way. We have a slightly different attitude. Our local emergency dept made an error in administering Morphine to me early this year. Too much, too quickly though the IV. (They really do say Stat! when it turns to shit.) I went out and when recovered was advised of an ‘adverse reaction’. Later investigation found the truth. Now while I could sue, I and most Aus don’t. It has being investigated and appropriate action taken, but I’m alive, so that’s what counts. Suing just increases the cost of medical for everyone. Needless to say, if I hadn’t recovered my wife would have sued someone’s arse.

As for health care costs, Albuterol, one of the oldest asthma medicines, typically costs $50 to $100 per inhaler in the United States, but it was less than $15 a decade ago before it was “ever-greened” (re-patented) Costs $10 here. The list’s a mile long. That’s where the waste is, and it’s drug companies pushing that, not legislation.

As for Canada, many ordinary Americans have to try sneak their drugs in from Canada. The UK system is in trouble because of some inefficiencies, and an economy in the tank, but people still get a good level of care.

I don’t dispute the right of Congress to try defunding it, but they cannot win that one, so why make the millions of ordinary government workers pay for their stupidity? They could defund pork barrel and look intelligent, but too many of them (both sides) would have to pull their snouts out of the trough for a moment.

As for the US govt looking stupid, I was ashamed when our last PM made Australia look stupid. Nothing to do with the rest of the world, perhaps, but embarrassing for us none the less.

Hey, we’re cousins. (US/Aus) As family, we’re allowed to ‘take the piss’ out of each other….


Mike October 13, 2013 at 10:34 am

Hi Oz:

It looks like we see eye-to-eye on lawsuits. The availability of high pain and suffering awards benefits my profession, but it is also unconscionable because it gives people a windfall at other people’s expense and drives up costs.

You raise a fair point about Canadian drug prices, but I think you’re overlooking something. The only reason Canada is able to regulate their prices is because they are piggy backing off America’s free market system. The U.S. does not regulate the prices of prescription drugs the way Canada does because doing so would provide disincentives for pharmaceutical companies to develop new drugs and treatments. If we followed the Canadian path, companies would not invest in research, testing, development etc. and many treatments would not exist. I don’t blame Canada per se, but the nations that are producing these treatments cannot afford to follow that approach.

Love the cousins analogy BTW.



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